CBR 2010 Rules - Draft

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CBR 2010 Rules - Draft

Postby OopsClunkThud » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:52 pm

Here's the draft rules for the 2010 CBR. They are mostly the same as as 2008 but a few things have had some small adjustments.

http://www.scootercannonball.com/rules/rules-2010.pdf

I'd like to open up the rules to about two weeks of discussion and then we'll put some suggested changes up to vote. When suggesting a change please consider it's impact on the entire set of rules and identify the section by number. Also please give some explanation of the desired impact of the change.
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Postby feb31st » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:26 am

The only new one that jumped out at me was...

1.2 Any substitution of scooter or rider after the start of the event will remove the entrant from the points distribution.

Not sure of this is points or rules, but a few thoughts after 08.

- Time stoppage at water/ferry crossings, to prevent the inevitable 'racing' to get to the boat.

- Helping another rider points/clock...

Joel's or Jim's wreck, 7 or 8 of us stopped and 'helped' (not to the extent that you did for Jim) - it was unclear afterwards on Jim's what the policy was for the clock.
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Postby OopsClunkThud » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:36 am

feb31st wrote:1.2 Any substitution of scooter or rider after the start of the event will remove the entrant from the points distribution.


This was something we talked about last time but it failed to make it into the rules. As entertaining as it was to watch Joel cycle through bikes I felt we should get this rule in this time around.

feb31st wrote:Not sure of this is points or rules, but a few thoughts after 08.

- Time stoppage at water/ferry crossings, to prevent the inevitable 'racing' to get to the boat.

- Helping another rider points/clock...

Joel's or Jim's wreck, 7 or 8 of us stopped and 'helped' (not to the extent that you did for Jim) - it was unclear afterwards on Jim's what the policy was for the clock.


The 2008 rules has a 15 point bonus for stopping to help someone. The intent was to make the inevitable stops a bit more equitable. In reality most everyone stopped to help someone at least once and the time it took to help varied greatly. Because of that the 15 point bonus didn't meet it's aim and added accounting overhead.
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class cc size

Postby old as dirt » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:19 am

rule 2.2 limits the max cc size to 252cc.
the gts 250 will do 80 mph all day, why can't the cc's be bumped up to include the 500 cc scoots as well?
the cannon ball is a run x-country and while points are awarded for coming in within the time limits points could also be taken away for getting to the check points to early. Say if your schedule to be at check 1 at 2:35 pm and you arrive within viewing site of the timed check at 2"30 you would be assessed 10 points for the first min and 5 for the next 3 min and 3 points for every min thereafter. So the total points lost for this 5 min early would be 28 points deducted. This would keep sppeding down just to see how fast you could go and keep the riders on a time.
this would also negate the "advanage of the larger cc" scoots.
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Postby 4n6iscool » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:25 am

2.1.1.2 wheels no larger than 13in.

So, according to this rule if you have a scoot that has 16 inch wheels (ie SYM HD200 or Honda SH150) and you want to do the cannonball you are limited to the role of support?
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Postby mogeewogee » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:33 pm

4n6iscool wrote:2.1.1.2 wheels no larger than 13in.

So, according to this rule if you have a scoot that has 16 inch wheels (ie SYM HD200 or Honda SH150) and you want to do the cannonball you are limited to the role of support?


As I see it the rules state; "AT LEAST ONE"
not "ALL OF THE FOLLOWING"

does the SYM have a step through frame? YES. It is a scooter,You are in. IMHO
By the way, It is not "my call" just my interpretation of the document
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Postby bklwashere » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:34 pm

4n6iscool wrote:2.1.1.2 wheels no larger than 13in.

So, according to this rule if you have a scoot that has 16 inch wheels (ie SYM HD200 or Honda SH150) and you want to do the cannonball you are limited to the role of support?


No. See 2.1.1. You need to satisfy AT LEAST ONE of the four requirements. So even if your scooter has 16 inch wheels, as long as it has, for example, a step-through style frame, you're good to go.
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Postby old as dirt » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:53 pm

rule 2.1.1.3 or 2.1.1.4
would a honda CT90/110 be legal?
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Re: class cc size

Postby feb31st » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:41 pm

old as dirt wrote:rule 2.2 limits the max cc size to 252cc.
the gts 250 will do 80 mph all day


sure does when you're climbing 250+ feet per minute in the mountains with spare parts and other shit........ puttttttt puttttttttttt putttttt.
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Postby 4n6iscool » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:58 pm

sorry guys I missed the AT LEAST ONE thing. My bad.
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Re: class cc size

Postby old as dirt » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:02 pm

feb31st wrote:
old as dirt wrote:rule 2.2 limits the max cc size to 252cc.
the gts 250 will do 80 mph all day


sure does when you're climbing 250+ feet per minute in the mountains with spare parts and other shit........ puttttttt puttttttttttt putttttt.


so then all the scooters would still be the same climbing and carrying the same loads
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Re: class cc size

Postby mogeewogee » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:25 pm

old as dirt wrote:
feb31st wrote:
old as dirt wrote:rule 2.2 limits the max cc size to 252cc.
the gts 250 will do 80 mph all day


sure does when you're climbing 250+ feet per minute in the mountains with spare parts and other shit........ puttttttt puttttttttttt putttttt.


so then all the scooters would still be the same climbing and carrying the same loads


same loads? I weigh more than most... will there be a handicap weigh in?
( similar to horse racing?)

Once again, I am not the decision maker but I would guess that the 252 cc
limit is not moving up.
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Postby jimT » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:21 pm

---old as d,,,, rule 2.2.5 allows you to ride your big scoot in the CBR...
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Postby jimT » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:49 pm

[quote="feb31st"]- Time stoppage at water/ferry crossings, to prevent the inevitable 'racing' to get to the boat.

---removing all the adventure, knowing what's around the corner, limiting change, diminishes the spirit of the CBR!!!!

---note!!!! NO RIDER WAS REQUIRED TO RIDE THE BURR TRAIL!!!!!!!!

------------you had to go to the ck point at lake powell,the ferry landing---

---there was 3 ways to get to that ck pt....i had all three plotted in my route sheet holder... i chose the burr trail for the adventure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Postby feb31st » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:34 am

jimT wrote:note!!!! NO RIDER WAS REQUIRED TO RIDE THE BURR TRAIL!!!!!!!!

you had to go to the ck point at lake powell,the ferry landing

there was 3 ways to get to that ck pt....i had all three plotted in my route sheet holder... i chose the burr trail for the adventure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



If I remember Patrick made it very clear in the morning meeting that we could go around the trail and you would only forfeit that checkpoint. I assume if weather had been an issue and the trail was closed, everyone would have without any forfeit of points? O well.

The route "around" was continue on HWY 12 after the Boulder checkpoint, to HWY 24 to 95 to Blanding. Green Route.

There was really no way to get to the Ferry by paved road, other than riding completely around, then turning back, riding to it, turning around and then riding back out. No one would have done that.

The Ferry ran every 2 hours.

I *think* we both had the same "shit i missed the ferry" route (marked in yellow), I can gain 30-45 minutes riding north, getting on 24/95, direct Blanding rather than wait two hours for the ferry.

We we're all rushing to get to that 3 clock ferry. Had you missed it, the next was at 5pm. If you had known you could have left an hour earlier in the morning without penalty, you could have timed your arrival at the ferry better, instead of leaving at the "class" time and being slightly rushed for the time/distance/terrain to be covered.

If we road that route again, I'd argue that the Burr Trail should be left in! That was a blast. However, I think the rider clock should have been stopped when they arrived at the dock and resumed when they hit the pavement on the other side. I don't think this timing technicality compromises the adventure.


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