2016 thoughts

Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby Frank Tabor » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:08 pm

Frank Tabor wrote: SCR is no fun when folks leaving an hour after you left the starting line and then finally arriving at the destination motel 2 hours after everyone else.
The powerful 4Ts can miss whole legs or even whole days of riding and still amass more points than a 2T'er riding full bore all day.
I respectively disagree. the handicap formula was pretty darn close, a few P's were right there till they had some issues.
In fact I don't know a single person that didn't have some sort of issue the whole ride.[/quote]

Doug, do you disagree that:
SCR is no fun when folks leaving an hour after you left the starting line and then finally arriving at the destination motel 2 hours after everyone else.
OR,
The powerful 4Ts can miss whole legs or even whole days of riding and still amass more points than a 2T'er riding full bore all day.
Those are experiences, not opinions.

The point has been belabored and I am going to silently observe the evolution of the SCR 2016.
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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby old as dirt » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:57 pm

Frank Tabor wrote:Doug, do you disagree that:
SCR is no fun when folks leaving an hour after you left the starting line and then finally arriving at the destination motel 2 hours after everyone else.
OR,
The powerful 4Ts can miss whole legs or even whole days of riding and still amass more points than a 2T'er riding full bore all day.
Those are experiences, not opinions.

The point has been belabored and I am going to silently observe the evolution of the SCR 2016.
the SCR i a personal ride, so when a rider leaves and arrives totally up to that rider. some folks didn't leave till late mornings and arrived at or after dark. Do i think they had fun riding the event, yes.

As far as points goes that is why we chose to ride what we each rode. I personally am looking for a small bore for 2016 and leaning towards a 2 stroke.
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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby maroy » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:20 am

old as dirt wrote:In fact I don't know a single person that didn't have some sort of issue the whole ride.


Truth be told that is how you really earn your Cannonball Cred. Winning is great, but finishing is a statement of fact. (The fact being you have your stuff together)

I think I will nominate that quote to be the Cannonball motto.

"Winning is great, but finishing is a statement of fact."
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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby Wleuthold » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:35 am

maroy wrote:"Winning is great, but finishing is a statement of fact."

I can't agree more.
I am one of those who ran a hard CBR but didn't finish. One of the big disappointments of my life.
When I entered I only wanted to finish. A top ten would be great, higher placement even better.
But when I found myself to be competitive I felt I had to go for the win.
When the belt/variator failed and I chose to put the old variator back in and it failed again, I was out. It was a good learning experience.
I will probably take Rocket to Hope, Arkansas at some point this year and finish those last five legs of the ride.
It won't be the same but will give me some closure.
And next time, I am coming with a large box of spare parts. And a tour tank.
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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby Frank Tabor » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:46 am

Wleuthold wrote:
maroy wrote:"Winning is great, but finishing is a statement of fact."

I can't agree more.
I am one of those who ran a hard CBR but didn't finish. One of the big disappointments of my life.
When I entered I only wanted to finish. A top ten would be great, higher placement even better.
But when I found myself to be competitive I felt I had to go for the win.
When the belt/variator failed and I chose to put the old variator back in and it failed again, I was out. It was a good learning experience.
I will probably take Rocket to Hope, Arkansas at some point this year and finish those last five legs of the ride.
It won't be the same but will give me some closure.
And next time, I am coming with a large box of spare parts. And a tour tank.
And probably a fresher scooter.


Bill, had your variator or clutch ever been tampered with or modified?
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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby Wleuthold » Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:45 am

Frank Tabor wrote:Bill, had your variator or clutch ever been tampered with or modified?

It was my second variator in 60,000 miles. This one had around 10,000 miles on it.
It was a Piaggio variator. No modifications except those damned Dr. Pulley sliders. Not even sure of the weight, but I am quite sure that they were the standard sliders from Scooter West.
No modifications on the engine either. Lots of miles though.
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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby Motovista » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:19 pm

feb31st wrote:This is nothing more than lines and dots on a map

http://bit.ly/1xi0Gha
From a very brief perusal, this looks like a very good 9-10 day course.
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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby Frank Tabor » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:31 pm

Motovista wrote:
feb31st wrote:This is nothing more than lines and dots on a map

http://bit.ly/1xi0Gha
From a very brief perusal, this looks like a very good 9-10 day course.


Never thought I would say this, but I agree with George. This looks like a good route, but it's over 4,000 miles and
a 2T would really take a beating in 9 days . That would be 440 miles a day. Poor lil Stella could never do that.
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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby Motovista » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:32 pm

Frank Tabor wrote:
Where could a person find this list of very quick 2T automatics?

Frank, the only bike on the list you need to get is this one:

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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby Motovista » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:42 am

Frank Tabor wrote:
Motovista wrote:
feb31st wrote:This is nothing more than lines and dots on a map

http://bit.ly/1xi0Gha
From a very brief perusal, this looks like a very good 9-10 day course.


Never thought I would say this, but I agree with George. This looks like a good route, but it's over 4,000 miles and
a 2T would really take a beating in 9 days . That would be 440 miles a day. Poor lil Stella could never do that.


If there were one or two 480-520 mile legs in the long boring flat part in the middle, this would bring the other days in line with 2014.
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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby feb31st » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:39 am

Motovista wrote:
Frank Tabor wrote:
Motovista wrote:From a very brief perusal, this looks like a very good 9-10 day course.


Never thought I would say this, but I agree with George. This looks like a good route, but it's over 4,000 miles and
a 2T would really take a beating in 9 days . That would be 440 miles a day. Poor lil Stella could never do that.


If there were one or two 480-520 mile legs in the long boring flat part in the middle, this would bring the other days in line with 2014.


Like I said, it's just lines/dots on a map. A refined concept could bring the numbers in line. Surprised more aren't throwing out more rough ideas.
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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby maroy » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:48 am

feb31st wrote:Like I said, it's just lines/dots on a map. A refined concept could bring the numbers in line. Surprised more aren't throwing out more rough ideas.


Agreed, don't lay out your ideas in detail for now. Approximate a route, if some detail is important do that part in detail and say something in the text. For instance, if you think we should ride the Burr Tail from east to west include it your approximate route and say so in the text.
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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby Motovista » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:01 am

Frank Tabor wrote:Where could a person find this list of very quick 2T automatics?
There are a lot of liquid cooled 50cc 2 stroke scooters out there that can be modified to reliably put out about 11-12 horsepower, and unreliably up in the low 20s. The Aprilia SR50 is probably the most common, but Italjet, Kymco and Malaguti all imported scooters like this. The beast of the 2T automatics was probably the Italjet Dragster 180, a 2 Stroke 180cc scooter that flies. I think Aprilia briefly brought over a Scarabeo with a 100 cc 2 Stroke engine, Daelim brought over a 100cc 2 Stroke, and Genuine sold a 110cc two stroke. There were companies bringing over 100cc Minarelli engines from China, and with a set of cases, you can build just about whatever you want. The neat thing about this class of scooters is that parts for the engines are widely available.
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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby Wleuthold » Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:51 pm

feb31st wrote:Surprised more aren't throwing out more rough ideas.

Here is my idea. Starts in Charlottsville, Va., either at the lawn at UVA or at Monticello. This area is chosen because it is west of the major congestion and getting into the hills. (That plus I am an architect and these are both cool starting points) From there head down the spine of the Appalachian Mountains. This route has both the Tail of the Dragon and Cherohala Skyway, but these are just possibilities.

Then head northwest through the Ozarks to Badlands, then Montana, Idaho, Washington, ending either at Mount St. Helens or Portland or the ocean near these. It looks like 3300 miles. Ten days would work.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.0313 ... b1!2b1!3e0
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Re: 2016 thoughts

Postby maroy » Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:20 am

Wleuthold wrote:
feb31st wrote:Surprised more aren't throwing out more rough ideas.

Here is my idea. Starts in Charlottsville, Va., either at the lawn at UVA or at Monticello. This area is chosen because it is west of the major congestion and getting into the hills. (That plus I am an architect and these are both cool starting points) From there head down the spine of the Appalachian Mountains. This route has both the Tail of the Dragon and Cherohala Skyway, but these are just possibilities.

Then head northwest through the Ozarks to Badlands, then Montana, Idaho, Washington, ending either at Mount St. Helens or Portland or the ocean near these. It looks like 3300 miles. Ten days would work.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.0313 ... b1!2b1!3e0


Excellant post! We might need to add a few miles to the route so we can get to oceans but all in all well done.
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